Johanna Maska talks to former White House Chief of Staff and Head of Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney about last week’s debt ceiling deal and why he thinks Washington can’t quit spending. Last week Congress agreed on a bipartisan debt deal to suspend the $31.4 trillion borrowing limit until January 2025. To put that in perspective—$31.4 trillion is about 215 times the net worth of Elon Musk. And while Democrats and Republicans say they want to get spending under control, the debt continues to grow — Johanna talks about why that’s the case with Mulvaney, the architect of President Trump’s 2017 budget.
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